CLARIFICATIONS TO TENDER
NO.2
“UPGRADING THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE REGARDING THE
CONFORMITY ASSESSMENT AND MARKET SURVEILLANCE- AUTOMOTIVE SECTOR”
PUBLICATION REFERENCE: EUROPEAID/114793/D/S/TR
ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
Question-1 Page 68 - Test Stand Equipment for Passenger Cars and Light Duty Commercial Vehicles Emissions including Cold Test Cell (70/220/EEC) 2. Test Stand Equipment for Heavy Duty Engine Emissions (88/77 EEC)
We need specification which amendment should be used; latest version 98/69/EC? For LDV and latest version 99/96/EC for HDE?
Answer: The standards mentioned in the specifications
must be considered with their latest amendments, i.e. 88/77/EEC – 99/96/EC for
HDE system and 70/220/EEC – 98/69/EC for LDV-PC system (EURO IV).
Question-2 Page 69 - a) For the exhaust emission (gaseous, particulate matter and smoke) and power measurements system of internal combustion engines according to the latest EC standards which will be valid after 2005 (88/77/EEC-1999/96/EC) (b) For the test cell of light duty vehicle and passenger cars for the exhaust emission tests according to the latest EC standards which will be valid after 2005 (70/220/EEC). This test cell will also be capable to perform the cold start test (CO2 emission measurements at – 7o C ambient temperature).
What means after 2005? Valid legislation = Euro IV? Please confirm the EC standards up to which the test cells should be prepared for. i.e. EURO IV / EURO V
Answer: Please refer to answer of question-1
Question-3 Page 69 - The contractor is also responsible for the full harmony (both in respect to hardware and software basis) of the first and second (this) phases of the “AUTOMOTIVE TECHNOLOGY R&D CENTER" project.
The contractor can only be responsible once he knows the equipment and Technical Specification of equipment supplied in phase 1.
We need detailed information about layout of equipment to be installed at phase 1 and technical specifications of existing equipment to be interfaced.
Answer: Harmony with Phase-I with regard to LDV-PC is
essential. As mentioned above main task is to move the existing HORIBA emission
measurement system to the new place (Please refer to “Annex II of Minutes of
the Site Visit” no. 1 or 2 in drawing-1).
This HORIBA system must work with the new chassis dynamometer. Detailed
information on Phase I is provided in Clarification No. I and Annex II of the
Minutes of the Site Visit.
Question-4 Page 69 -
Chassis dynamometer supplied in this project and mounted in the specified test
cell will be used with the exhaust gas collecting, dilution and analyzing
system purchased in the first phase of the
The emission analysis system supplied at the first phase of the project may not be suitable for the actual conditions required by the laboratory and some add-on's might be necessary for its integration. According to legislation the length of exhaust gas lines are limited.
We need detailed information about layout of equipment to be installed at phase 1. Where is the Emission analyzer installed? Where will the CVS system be installed?
Answer: Detailed information on Phase I is provided in Clarification No. I and Annex II of Minutes of the Site Visit.
Question-5 Page 69 - Air conditioning system of “acoustic room” will also be used for “LDV-PC TS room” to keep the ambient temperature and humidity between the limits specified in standards (for visualizing see the drawings 1 and 2 given in APPENDIX-I.)
The system foreseen for the acoustic room might be not prepared for the climatic conditions required for the LDV-PC TS according to the legislation (-7ºC). On the other hand, the A/C system for LDV/PC TS is included in pos. 1.1.3 As the LDV-PC TS is a cold chamber the air condition from acoustic cell can most likely not be used.
There are inconsistencies in this issue. Confirm and rectify. What means in this case air conditioning?
Answer: To use, if possible, the existing ventilation
(conditioning) system of the acoustic room for the new test cell (no: 1 or 2 in
the drawing 1- Annex II of Minutes of the Site Visit) may be used to keep the
conditions (i.e. 20 - 30o C, etc) in test cell during normal
emission tests. The existing system is capable to keep the room temperature
between 20 -30o C during emission test circulating 30.000 m3/h air,
8.000 m3/h of which being fresh air. / Rooms for chassis dynamometer and for
emission measurement system (no: 1 or 2 in the drawing 1) may be divided into
two stages and the air conditioning systems can be placed there. For -7º C test
a separate conditioning system must be supplied by contractor.
Question-6 Page 70 - Water and electricity will be supplied by the Automotive Division of ITU, but, if necessary, they will be brought to the system rooms and distributed to the equipment by contractor.
The definition of the supplies for this phase should include the interfacing between the services provided by the building and the test and measurement systems
Please define the supply points for electricity and water
Answer: Water and electricity supply points are shown
in the Annex II of Minutes of the Site Visit-Drawing 1
Question-7 Page 70 - The control and operation computers of the main equipment (vehicle emission measuring equipment, chassis dynamometer, engine performance and emission measuring equipment) will be equipped with the necessary hardware and the software so that connection and data transfer between each other and the existing network system (including first stage of the project) of the center is possible. The computers must be fed by a continuous power supply system.
The network system may not be able to handle all systems included in phases 1 and 2
The specification and operation range of the network system is required. How does the existing network look like and what kind of data should be transferred?
Answer: The existing network is internet connection.
Measurements data will be transmitted
Question-8 Page 71 1.1.4 – “Exhaust gas extraction system for LDV/PC TS room” should be interfaced with acoustic system
How and where? Layout of acoustic Exhaust Gas Extraction needed
Answer: The LDV/PC TS room has its own exhaust gas
extraction system, including chimney, and this system should not be interfaced
with that of Phase-I system (in acoustic room).
Question-9 Page 71 1.1.5 – “Constant Volume Sampling..........” should be interfaced with existing analyzer system.
What analyzer system is used? Suitable? Where to install the tunnel? Gas-flow distances limited by legislation
Answer: Detailed information on Phase I is provided in
Clarification No. I and Annex II of the Minutes of the Site Visit.
Question-10 Page 71 1.2.5.1.4 - Heated sample Lines Samplers or Pre-Samplers and Sample Gas-preparing Unit distance defined with 45 m.
Distances limited by legislation. What does it mean (or 3 with at least 3 connections)
Answer: 45m heated line length must be considered as
total length and given only for orientations purposes. “or 3 with at least 3
connections”
means, 3 sampling unit each with 3 connection (total 9 connection) may be used
instead of 9 separate sampling unit.
Question-11 Page 71 1.2.5.2 - Constant flow rate mixing (dilution of exhaust gases) and constant volume sampling (CVS) unit (at least 180 m3/min. “maximum flow rate”, with at least 6 ranges venturi combinations.)
The CVS - System for HDT is very large and has to be installed close to the engine test stand to fulfill legislation requirements.
Where to install the system? Detailed layout of existing building and acoustic cell needed.
Answer: Engine auxiliary equipment, analyzers, CVS
system and dilution tunnel of the HDE system will be installed in the engine
test cell, the cellar of engine test
cell (3.50 x 8.00 m) and the cellar of
observation room (2.50 x 5.75 m) (See Appendix I to V of Minutes of the Site
Visit). Dilution tunnel (of nearly 8 m
long) may be placed in engine test cell and let to protrude into the corridor.
Question-12 Page 71 1.2.5.2.1 to 1.2.5.8 - Dilution and Conditioning Equipment for engine test stand
Dilution Tunnel, Air conditioning equipment as well as other conditioning equipment defined are permanent installations and need sufficient space. They can not be installed inside the acoustic room due to sound reflections etc.
Where to install this equipment? Distances are limited. Large space needed. We need detailed Layout drawing of building and phase 1 installation.
Answer: Please refer to answer of question-11
Question-13 Page 72 1.3 - Civil, Mechanical and Electrical Works for The LDV-PC TS, HDE TS and Control/Observation Rooms
The Job description as defined is not suitable to define what kind of work is needed to fulfill the specification.
We need detailed Layout drawing of building and phase 1 installation.
Answer: Civil, mechanical and electrical works in the
rooms (test, observation, control, etc.) covers all that is needed for the
functioning of the system. Some details are given in the last paragraph of item
1.3.1. / 16. There is only one engine brake and one set of instruments placed
in HDE TS room (no:3 in drawing 1- Annex II of Minutes of the Site Visit) but
two engine bed plates, one is in the HDE TS room and other in the acoustic
room
Question-14 Page 74 1.1.3 - 1.1.3 Air conditioning system of “LDV-PC TS room”: ..............
As the chassis dyno is installed in a cold chamber the air condition is part of the climatic cooling equipment. The System specified is not suitable for -7°. Not suitable for legislation requirements. There is no definition within this chapter regarding cold chamber.
Page 69 says air condition to be used from existing acoustic room. Page 74 defines a system not suitable for -7°. Please define clearly
Answer: Please refer to answer of question-5
Question-15 Page 75 - LDV-PC TS room will be equipped with an exhaust gas extraction system (including the chimney)........................
This § defines the exhaust system of the cold chamber (?) with a connection to the HDE-PC-TS which is on the other side of the corridor. And also defines a 2nd engine test stand
Where or what is the second engine test stand? How to connect exhaust between the systems? Why is HDE-PC-TS not linked with extraction from acoustic room as the test stand is installed in this room?
Answer: A second engine test stand foundation is
placed in the acoustic room to be used to perform acoustic measurements on
engines. This engine will be connected with the engine brake in the HDE TS room
with a long shaft. An exhaust gas extraction system must also be provided for
this engine. Therefore, second paragraph of item 1.1.4. of the tender document,
“Exhaust gas extraction system must have an extension to the HDE-PC TS and 2
entrance flanges (minimum 250 mm diameter) at the corners of the second engine
test stand” belongs to item 1.2.3. as fourth paragraph. Please also refer to the
relevant part of Corrigendum no. II.
Question-16 Page 75 - 1.1.4 Exhaust gas extraction system for LDV/PC TS room. Exhaust gas extraction system must have an extension to the "HDE-PC TS" and 2 entrance flanges (minimum 250 mm diameter) at the corners of the second engine test stand
An exhaust extraction system for HDE PC TS is included in issue 1.2.3. No comprehension about the need of having an extension from LDV/PC TS
Please confirm the meaning of this issue
Answer: The abbreviation “HDE PC TS” should read as “HDE TS”. Please refer to answer of question-15 and Corrigendum no. II
Question-17 Page 75 - Filtered fuel (gasoline and Diesel fuel) will be supplied from the central fuel system to the test rooms for daily use. Tanks must have level indicators.
There are no hints about the existence of a central fuel supply system and fuel dispensers for vehicles (Chassis Dynamometers)
Please confirm if those systems are existing at the site. Confirm specification
No room for reference fuels is described within the specification. According to the legislation, the vehicles and engines must be tested with specific reference fuels which must be stored somewhere inside the facility
Please confirm if a fuel storage room is considered. Define its possible arrangement in the building layout
Answer: There is no central fuel system and fuel
storage room which should be equipped in Phase-II.
Question-18 Page 76 1.2.1 - Engine Brake. Brake cooling water system must have the necessary filter equipment.
Since the HDE TS is intended for stationary and transient tests, electric active dynamometers (air-cooled) will be used and thus no cooling water is required
Please confirm issue regarding this matter. Do we have to use a water cooled dyno?
Answer: The dynamometer used to load engine does not
need to be water cooled.
Question-19 Page 76 - 1.2.1 Point 4 says: Brake must be capable to be coupled at both sides. One side for test engine in brake room and other side for test engine in acoustic room.
There are two names used for the engine test stand. HDE-PC TS and HDE TS?
There are two different cells but only one set of instruments! Switch-able to two engine test cells? Or is the second test cell planned for future? To be clarified!
Answer: The abbreviation “HDE PC TS” should read as
“HDE TS” Please refer to answer of question-13, 15 and relevant part of the
Corrigendum no. II
Question-20 Page 76 - Foundations (including base plates for the engines) of the engines and the foundation of the brake will be placed on the floor so elastically as to have a natural frequency of 15 Hz. For the foundation in acoustic room harmony with the first phase is required.
The term "Foundations" is confusing, please clarify this matter
Answer: Foundation means the engine bed plates to be
brought on the existing masses built in phase-I.
Question-21 Page 77 - 1.2.2 Air conditioning system of “HDE TS room”:
This must be the air condition / ventilation for the second test cell. Detailed Layout planning of existing room planning needed
Answer: Please refer to Annex II of Minutes of the Site Visit
Question-22 Page 80 1.2.5.1.4 - Approximately 45 m heated sample lines; 9 sampler units (or 3 sampler units with 3 connections for each)
45 m distance is too long to get reasonable results. Where will the analyzer be located? Layout of existing Building needed. What means 9 sample units? Bags?
Answer: Please refer to answer of question-10
Question-23 Page 83 1.2.5.2.13 - last and second last §. The definition of 125kHz for 16 channel data acquisition is typical for indicating equipment as defined in 1.2.5.2.9 but not in a common automation system for emission test application Also 3,5 kHz speed measurement is not used in such application. If Puma, GEM-Advanced and Indiset 620 is one system than it can be done.
To be clarified
Answer: The 125kHz 16 channel data acquisition system
and 3.5 kHz speed measurement will be used for purposes other than emission
measurements.
Question-24 Page 84 1.3.1 - 3§ Control and observation room of phase-I (called "observation room") will be used for control and observation of “LDV-PC TS” and “HDE TS”.
That means that there is not sight contact to the driver of the chassis dyno. In this room also an engine test stand is installed or?
Building / detailed observation room layout required.
Answer: Control room has no direct sight into the
acoustic room. Telecommunication is realized by audiovisual systems.
Question-25 Page 84 - Air-conditioning and ventilation system room / area. There is no specification about the location of the utility room.
Specify location within the layout. Technical floor in the building? Size?
Answer: Please refer to Annex II of Minutes of the Site Visit
Question-26 Page 84 Control and observation room of phase-I (called "observation room") will be used for control and observation of “LDV-PC TS” and “HDE TS”. Harmony with the first phase is required.
If alternative 2 of Appendix-I is chosen for the LDV-PC TS, the Observation room cannot be used as specified
Define alternative locations for the observation room
Answer: Please refer to Annex II of Minutes of the Site Visit
Question-27 Page 84 - Rooms for the Heavy Duty Engine exhaust emission and performance test stand. (HDE TS room). An additional engine foundation (including base plate) for noise emission measurements will be placed in the existing "acoustic room". For this foundation harmony with the first phase is required.
The arrangement of HDE/TS is not clear within the layout. The observation room is not big enough for a HD engine test bed taking into account that the room will be shared for other purposes. (Observation room + AC System)
Clarify the required solution and arrangement of HDE/TS. Clarify location of CVS + Dil. Tunnel systems
Answer: The existing observation room is only for LDV
PC TS and HDE TS room and will not be used for other purposes such as
installing AC system. This observation room is thought to be big enough for
these two functions. However, if necessary, a part of room no: 1 (or 2) in
drawing 1 can be used as the observation room for LDV PC TS. In this case, the
existing observation room of phase-I is devoted to HDE TS room only
Question-28 Page 85 1.3.2 - Infrastructure Systems needed for the equipment and rooms § 5 each room must have a fire warning system equipped with 2 smoke and 2 flame detectors. System must warn both visual and audible alarm.
Test cells should be equipped with a suitable fire extinguishing system. Clarify if its required and which type? Is the building equipped with a centralized alarm system in case of fire?
Answer: There is an existing fire and gas (CO) warning
network in Automotive Laboratory. The cells of Phase-II must be harmonized with
this warning system. Additionally, the engine test cell will be equipped with a
fire extinguishing system.
Question-29 Page 85 - Electric supply system. The current electric supply system might not be prepared to handle all the equipment to be installed in phase 2.
Complete technical specifications of the existing utilities are required.
Answer: Capacity of the existing transformer (drawing
1) will be increased to 1600 kW by ITU. But the cable installation from
transformer to the test cells is under the responsibility of the contractor.
Question-30 Page 85 - Fuel Supply. There are different specifications and types of fuels
How many types of fuels are intended to be used? Within the text there is Gasoline, Diesel and Alcohol (for HDE?) and Gas mentioned, but for gas no fuel consumption measurement is defined?
Answer: Gasoline, Diesel fuel, Alcohol and natural gas
will be used as fuel. No fuel consumption measurement device for natural gas is
foreseen in Phase-II.
Question-31 Page 85 - Compressed air / Fuel circuit / Cooling water / Chilled water. The complete utilities system requires a centralized control in order to ensure the automation, security and management
Clarify if the building is already equipped with such system and define if its required
Answer: The building has a cooling water system, but
not compressed air, fuel and chilled water system.
Question-32 Ventilation system for control rooms required to keep comfortable temperatures within the room (23ºC)
Complete technical specifications of the existing ventilation equipment required
Answer: The existing control room has its own Heating
Ventilation and Air Conditioning system
Question-33 Page 86 and Page 87 - .....all § are linked to 1.3 specifications. The whole item 1.3 can be seen as an integrated part which can not be offered at all without detailed clarification
Please clarify
Answer: Please refer to answer of question-13
Question-34 Appendix I - No Soak room defined within the layout. According to the legislation, vehicles have to be conditioned before being tested; Circulation paths of vehicles are not defined within the layout and are definitely important for the LDV-PC TS location arrangement; Circulation paths for machinery and engines are not defined; No engine workshop defined in the layout; No enough space inside the Observation room for control desks of LDV-PC and HD-TS; No space defined within the layout for calibration gas room; Distance between the SHED and LDV-PC is restricted by the legislation; Distance between the calibration gas room and the emission analysis systems is restricted
Detailed Layout planning of existing building needed
Answer: Acoustic room and, room 2 in the drawing 1 -
Annex II of Minutes of the Site Visit, if it is not used for LDV PC TS room,
will be used as soak room. Calibration gas room is placed in the corridor as
shown in drawing 1- Annex II of Minutes of the Site Visit. Distance between LDV
PC TS room and SHED cell is 80 m.
Question-35 Page 78 Table1 - Measurements to be made on test engine. This table includes 35 pressure and 54 temperatures (incl. some spare). However for normal HDE testing this is too much
Is this set of sensors defined for one engine or are they split to two engine test cells?
Answer: Transducers and thermocouples listed in table
1 of tender document will also be used in other test stands.
Question-36 How can we get the drawings?
Answer: The drawings have been given in CD form as
well as the hard copies during the site visit.
Question-37 Can you warn us for the clarifications?
Answer: Potential tenderers can obtain information
from the web page http://europa.eu.int/comm/europeaid/tender/index_en.htm.
Question-38 How shall the equipment provided in Phase-I be replaced?
Answer: Please refer to answer of the question 3.
HORIBA, the manufacturer of the emission measurement system, will provide
technical assistance.
Question-39 Does the warranty responsibilities cover the equipment provided in Phase-I?
Answer: Contractor of the Phase-II shall be
responsible only for the system requirements related to the equipment provided
in Phase-I so that both systems can function in harmony with each other.
Question-40 Should the tenderer be the manufacturer of the equipment to be supplied
Answer: Not necessarily
Question-41 When will the equipment for Phase-I be installed?
Answer: It will be completed in September 2004
Question-42 The distance between shed cabinet and emission test room is 80mt. according to the relevant EU Standards this distance must be taken in two minutes. Is it possible?
Answer: According to the standards the vehicle must be
brought into the SHED test cell within 7 minutes after the conditioning test
performed on chassis dyno. Maximum 2 minutes of this time can be spent with the
engine stopped.
Question-43 How can the chassis dyno be installed in the stated place? It seems impossible because of dimensions
Answer: Chassis dyno operates in both directions. The
direction of the vehicle is changed according to the drive axle. In that case
dimensions shall be compatible for the chassis dyno installations. In addition,
the room can be extended into the corridor up to 2.5 m.
Question-44 Is there enough space to put our control cabinet in the Observation Room?
Answer: As seen
in the drawings and the observations at the site visit there is enough space in
the room.
Question-45 For the chassis dynometer there are two alternative places to install the equipment. Although both of them are technically possible the costs shall be different. It seems one of them is easier but more expensive. What will be the selection criteria?
Answer: The decision on the alternative rooms is left at the discretion of the tenderer on the basis of its technical offer.
Both solutions are equally acceptable and this does not create a ground for discrimination.
Question-46 Is there any oppacimeter test condition in the TS?
Answer: There is in item 1.2.5.2.11
Question-47 Is there any alcohol channel for measuring device?
Answer: No need for alcohol channels only the
measurements devices should be appropriate for alcohol measurement
Question-48 Where will be the equipment in Lot 2 located
Answer: In the laboratory to be defined in the
delivery period depending on the alternatives of chassis dyno room with
preferences of the tenderers.
Question-49 Definition of calibration test equipment for the item 2.2.1
Answer: Calibration test equipment is not required for the item 2.2.1.
Question-50 Is the condition for steering force tester for automobiles (Item 2.3.1) maximum of minimum
Answer: As it is stated in the tender dossier maximum
torque capacity of the equipment is at least 50 Nm
Question-51 How are the specifications for steering test equipment defined?
Answer: Steering test equipment must be compatible
with all kinds of airbag equipped on the steering wheels
Question-52 The system needs automatic control which is not mentioned in the TS.
Answer: Please check the first bullet of the item
1.2.5.2.13
Question-53 Outlet for calibration gases should be clarified whether the existing system for phase-I has one gas outlet or two
Answer: There exists a second outlet on the pressure
regulators of the second pressure stages. These regulators are located on the
wall of the cellar of acoustic room and need to be moved to a new location
nearer to the new LDV PC TS room (i.e. the room 1 or 2 in the drawing 1 - Annex
II of Minutes of the Site Visit)
Question-54 It is necessary to know the functional diagram of the cooling water system circuit. Open or closed circuits?
Answer: Please refer to the drawings in Annex II of
Minutes of the Site Visit
Question-55 What is the voltage of the electrical power available for the contractor?
Answer: 380V between phases, 220V phases
Question-56 To use the existing condition of the acoustic room for the new test cell it is necessary to know the pressure available of the fans.
Answer: The pressure difference available at the exit of the fan (36000 m3/h) is
1383 Pa total
Question-57 Place for HDE room air condition equipment and -7 cooling equipment?
Answer: Please refer to the drawings in Annex II of
Minutes of the Site Visit
Question-58 Base plate with air pillows must be used for better vibration isolation. Please verify
Answer: Please refer to Corrigendum no. II
Question-59 Gas room must have a door to outside according to European safety regulations. Please verify
Answer: Gas room has ventilation system of enough
performance opening to the outside of the building as to fulfill the safety
requirements.
Question-60 Room 1 may be short for installation of chassis dyno. Please verify
Answer: The room may be extended up to 2,5m into the
corridor
Question-61 How can we bring the one tone cabinets into the cellar of HDE room?
Answer: There will be a crane of one tone capacity
over the stairs leading to cellar, available to bring the parts of the system
and this crane shall be provided by ITU.
Question-62 If the gas bottles have two outlets one is for LDV PC tests and one for HDE tests. Please Confirm.
Answer: Please refer to question 53